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From: Paladin <nidalap@cris.com>
To: Fionn Behrens <fionn@informatik.uni-siegen.de>, Oliver Wagner <wagner@fuzzy.knipp.de>, AmiNet Probleme <aminet@aminet.org>
CC: Russ Leighton <russ@sneezy.lancaster.ca.us>, StarDustr <dtbecker@ptd.net>, YAM <mbeck@access.ch>, kruse@nordicglobal.com
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 16:08:22 -0800
Message-ID: <yam6880.1105.135612520@smtp.cris.com>
In-Reply-To: <43292245@mompls.mlink.uni-siegen.de>
X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.2 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck
Subject: Re: Phoenix 1.15
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On 02-Nov-96, Fionn Behrens wrote:
>You may not know that every kick and ban is broadcasted worldwide and modes,
>nickchanges and joins are therefor the most bandwith-consuming actions you
>can take. Your script is full of automatically launched actions of this type.
Auto-Opping or Kicking someone to stop them from flooding a channel is
hardly the definition of a "warscript" as you put it. Such abilities are
in MCF4AmIRC which you made no complaints about allowing on aminet and they
built into most PeeCee IRC clients. Auto-Greet (which I refuse to support)
uses much more band-width that both of these together.
>> are passive defenses AGAINST attacks and I challenge you to show otherwise.
>I gladly will:
>The following features of your script do IMHO have nothing to do with
>"passive defense":
The stress (the word in caps) was on "AGAINST attacks" since you claimed
Phoenix was a bandwidth attacking "warscript". For every item you list
below, ask yourself "War, yes or no?"
> · Auto-Op Friends on Join
> is it random delayed so that not everyone is op'ed by three
> others (hail to phoenix, yuck!) on every join?
Don't you know? You wouldn't just ban me from aminet on an assumption
would you?
> · Auto-BanKick Enemies on Join
> this is what you call passive?
It eats less band-width in the long run than allowing know flooders to
continuous re-join & re-flood a channel.
> · Protect Friends from DeOp/Ban
> automatic unconfirmed actions of this type are generally
> questionable and (most of the time) superfluous.
Returning setting to the existing status-quo is not an act of war.
> · Revenge Kick on DeOp/Ban/Kick of Friends
> "revenge"-autokick? quite childish, aint it?
Knee-jerk reaction to the term "revenge".
> · Mass/Channel-wide Ban/UnBan/Op/Deop/Msg/Notice/CTCP
> how passive! deoping a whole channel, wow. You may be serious
> enough not to do such thing but there are shitloads of assholes
> out there waiting to abuse your script with a simple mouse click.
Nothing wrong with manually PINGing everyone on your channel to check your
lag status and decide if you need to switch servers. Likewise, messaging
or noticing a group of people is quite useful. As to the others, it
depends upon the user -- I wasn't about to hardcode in a "sorry too many
selections" or "that type of action is not allowed" limit. There is a
limit of 3 actions at a time (not that you bothered to check). Half the
clients out there allow multiple arguments. Ban & UnBan had to be added
because of the bug in AmIRC's own /ban command which truncates the
username. I have reported this and all bugs to AmIRC's author.
> · Random Nick
> · Random I-Nick
> what is this good for, except avoiding kicks while flooding a
> channel or whatever?
It does not automatically change nicks at any time. They are "good for"
avoiding being flooded by a group attacking your current nick.
> · War Mode - BKick on DeOp/Ban/Kick of Friends/self
> quite passive.
Not an attack. It sets other flood protections too, such as /ignore and
disabling internal auto-DCC functions (like autoget, which is built into
most PeeCee clients).
> · Flash/Zflash Nick/Channel
> Crashing peoples terminals for peace, hmm?? Come on...
A childish prank that does not "crash people's terminals, but is merely
an ALIAS (not even in Phoenix itself) that sends "**B0" or ";5h(0" once.
Hardly damaging or a band-width eater.
>> The "war mode" mentioned in the docs (if you even read them) bans, kicks,
>> and ignores a flooder; it DOES NOT return flood him.
>Well, thats what I call generous.
I figured I should specify since your heart no doubt jumped at seeing the
term "war mode".
>> I will await your reply before notifying the rest of the Amiga programming
>> community of this unjust and ignorant action taken against a benevolant
>> freeware developer.
>*giggle* Just do it. We will have a good laugh.
By denying loyal Amigans that which is readily available in the stock
versions of other platforms clients and berating the few remaining Amiga
developers will only hasten the death of the last vestiges of our dwindling
Amiga community. As anyone that has followed the development of Phoenix-
AmIRC could tell you, I spend a lot of time stripping out all offensive
elements from Dark-Phoenix in order to create a public releasable package
that enhances AmIRC for it's users. I have always acted with forebarance
and never uploaded the non-stripped version to aminet or anywhere else.
>PS: The next version of AmIRC will have a list of officially approved 'good'
> scripts in the docs. Users will be explicitly warned to use other scripts
> of any kind. I will approve the scripts. And yours - at least in its
> current state - will not make it there.
Pardon me? You are not the author of AmIRC and claiming any authority over
it is a weak and hollow threat. I talk to Olli regularly, and he approves
of my script.
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